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Arthur Sinclair was born in Scotland, not Virginia. Our Sinclair genealogist tells me
she has much of my family and as soon as she is able, will provide the missing
information. The genealogies all say he was from Scallaway, which of course, is in the
Shetland Islands. His crest? arms from his ring? I'm told match that of the Barons of
Roslyn and is on the wall of the Roslyn Chapel. The difference is that the motto is
"Feight". It seems that the first Arthur used to stamp his correspondence with his
seal. Also, the supporters are a little different from the arms as known today.
Considering his was a sea captain in the mid 1700s, that may put his birth in the late
1600s. All this is conjecture until the actual information is provided. So I'm trying
to wait patiently. After all, I've been pondering this problem since about 1946, when I
first tried to find something in the Library of Congress and found the arms, only.
regards, Sally. If you would like to get in touch with me - esdemio@att.net
sinclair-digest wrote:
> sinclair-digest Tuesday, March 6 2001 Volume 02 : Number 427
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 08:34:34 -0700
> From: "John Liley" <firstmortgage@beehivecredit.com>
> Subject: Re: The Cave
>
> No folks I have not heard of the cave before. But anyone who has lived here
> or watched the local news knows that native Utahns thrive on the fact that
> the world might revolve around Utah or that every event that happens world
> wide some how is always linked to Utah. This sounds strange, but my outside
> perspective concerning this idea is quite evident. I have only lived here
> since '94. I was born in Weymouth, Mass and raised in Soprano land New
> Jersey. My wife who was born and raised here didn't even see this
> perspective till I pointed this idea out. I am not surprised by the premise
> of this book. Utah is a great and wonderful place to live. The Mountains
> covered in snow, the beautiful desert landscapes. Snowboarding and Skiing at
> 10,000 ft in less than an hour. One hell of a good Basketball Team (GO JAZZ
> ring not included). A great Masonic community www.wasatchlodge.org
> (shameless website plug). Ole Brigham was right "This is the Place". For
> the uniformed Brigham when entering the Salt Lake Valley in July of 1847
> said that famous quote and now there is a "This is the Place" Monument at
> the mouth of Emigration Canyon overlooking the valley. I noticed the book
> was published by a Bonneville Company most not all Bonneville companies are
> owned by the LDS church. When I'm in the tent at the games people look at
> the genealogy charts and you know how people love those. Especially here.
> Then they see the Masonic Sinclair angle that I portray at the tent and 95%
> of the time the next response is "You know Joseph Smith and Brigham Young
> were Masons" or conversely "There is no proof that Joseph Smith was a
> Mason". Utah is a great place, it is my adopted home. I will read the
> book, I will endeavor to find the cave and I will let you all know.
>
> Yours Aye,
>
> John Liley
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: <IDL64@aol.com>
> To: <sinclair@matrix.net>
> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 9:43 AM
> Subject: Re: The Cave
>
> >
> > Dear Cousin John, Seriously, since you are in Utah, have you heard
> of
> > the cave before this came up in the discussion of the new book?
> > Faithfully, Ivan D. Lancaster of Indiana
> > Oh, yes, enjoyed your foolishness, Thanks
> > [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org
> > [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html
> >
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 16:45:43 -0500
> From: Robert Goff <rwgoff00@centre.edu>
> Subject: Re: 17th Cent Sinclairs back to Scotland
>
> Do you know whether Arthur was born in Scotland or Virginia. Also, I have seen
> many entries for early Sinclairs in the Cavaliers and pioneers, including some from
> Surry County. Have you checked out the land records there? I know that most of
> the state's land records were abstracted by the Spraccio family and was wondering
> if you had seen these?
>
> esdemio@att.net wrote:
>
> > for Robert Goff: Assuredly. What happened to those
> > people I quoted - I don't know. They are too early for my
> > branch. I put the names up hoping that someone could use
> > them. I am told that all Sinclairs, whether in New
> > England or the South are related. My branch begins by
> > being a sea captain between Scalloway and Virginia in mid
> > 1700s. There are three statements that he has a ship
> > "Alice" between Glasgow and Virginia. That he has a ship
> > "Betsy" taking furs back to Scotland and lastly that he
> > 'took a prize' but was never paid for it by the American
> > Government well after the Revolution. His claim was put
> > forth, but never paid. He settled in Surry Co, VA at
> > Cobham and was a trustee for the town. He married Suzanna
> > Phillips in Halifax (NS or a VA County?). He died in
> > Surry Co. They had at least one son, named for the father
> > - Arthur - This Arthur was a naval officer in the War of
> > 1812 and got noticed by the state of Virginia who gave
> > him a sword in recognition of his 'gallantry'. That sword
> > is now the property of the Historical Society of VA. His
> > son Arthur, was in the US Navy and then in the
> > Confederate Navy. His son Arthur, followed his father and
> > served where he did, including both men were on the
> > Confederate Raider, CSS Alabama. That makes 4 generations
> > and 4 Arthurs. After the "War of Rebellion" Arthur(4)
> > married and lived in Baltimore, MD and his son Arthur(5)
> > lived in New York. Arthur(4) died in 1927(?), can't
> > remember. In five generations, we have come from mid
> > 18th century to at least mid or late 20th century. I just
> > don't have the connection back in Scotland, which is what
> > I'm looking for. I do have specific info, but not here,
> > unless someone wants particulars. Sally
> > >
> > > sinclair-digest Friday, March 2 2001 Volume 02 : Number 423
> > >
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 22:51:14 +0000
> From: Niven Sinclair <niven@niven.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Why Bjork may really be a Scot.
>
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> At 10:37 04/03/01 +0000, you wrote:
> >Iain Laird's interesting article confirms a lot of what is written by
> >Farley Mowat in the Alban Quest - The Search for the Lost Tribe. I am in
> >the middle of reading it. Rather than Scots it might be they were Albans
> >who were pushed out by the Scots who came over from Ireland.
> >
> >Malcolm Caithness
>
> Or, it may be, that the 'Scots' referred to were, in fact, people of Viking
> descent from Orkney and Shetland which islands, at the material time,
> were not ruled by Scotland but by Norway.
>
> The monks which Nicolo Zeno found in the monastery in Greenland
> were mainly from Shetland which would reinforce the argument that
> the Icelandic settlers were more likely to have been from the Northern
> Isles rather than from the Scottish mainland.
>
> Niven
>
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> <html>
> At 10:37 04/03/01 +0000, you wrote:<br>
> <font face="arial" size=2><blockquote type=cite cite>Iain Laird's
> interesting article confirms a lot of what is written by Farley Mowat in
> the Alban Quest - The Search for the Lost Tribe.<i> </i>I am in the
> middle of reading it. Rather than Scots it might be they were Albans who
> were pushed out by the Scots who came over from Ireland.</font><br>
> <br>
> <font face="arial" size=2>Malcolm Caithness</font></blockquote><br>
> <br>
> Or, it may be, that the 'Scots' referred to were, in fact, people of
> Viking<br>
> descent from Orkney and Shetland which islands, at the material
> time,<br>
> were not ruled by Scotland but by Norway. <br>
> <br>
> The monks which Nicolo Zeno found in the monastery in Greenland<br>
> were mainly from Shetland which would reinforce the argument that<br>
> the Icelandic settlers were more likely to have been from the
> Northern<br>
> Isles rather than from the Scottish mainland.<br>
> <br>
> Niven<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> </html>
>
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>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: 5 Mar 2001 20:58:52 -0800
> From: "Spirit One Email" <laurel@spiritone.com>
> Subject: Re: The Cave
>
> John,
> Pg. 180 of "No Man Knows My History" by Fawn M. Brodie says "....when
> Judge James Adams, Deputy Grand Master of the Illinois Masonic Order, urged
> him to set up a lodge in Nauvoo, He (Joseph S.) complied at once.
> The lodge was formally installed on March 15, 1842, with headquarters in
> the big room over Joseph's store. John C. Bennett was secretary. Joseph
> became a first-degree Mason on the night of the installation, and the next
> night rose to the sublime degree. His interest in Masonry became so
> infectious that many Mormon elders hastened to follow his lead, and within
> six months the lodge had 286 candidates. This accretion left the non-Mormon
> lodges thunderstruck, for in 1842 the total membership in all of Illinois
> was only 227. They saw in this growth not only a degeneration of the theory
> of selective membership but also a threat to control the Grand Lodge in
> Springfield. ......"
> from the "Wasp" April 30, 1842 and "History of the Church", Vol. IV, ppg.
> 550-2.
> John C. Reynolds: "History of the M.W. Grand Lodge of Illinois, Ancient,
> Free, and Accepted Masons (Springfield, 1869), p. 166
> Laurel
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Liley" <>
> To: <sinclair@matrix.net>
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 7:34 AM
> Subject: Re: The Cave
>
> > No folks I have not heard of the cave before. But anyone who has lived
> here
> > or watched the local news knows that native Utahns thrive on the fact that
> > the world might revolve around Utah or that every event that happens world
> > wide some how is always linked to Utah. This sounds strange, but my
> outside
> > perspective concerning this idea is quite evident. I have only lived here
> > since '94. I was born in Weymouth, Mass and raised in Soprano land New
> > Jersey. My wife who was born and raised here didn't even see this
> > perspective till I pointed this idea out. I am not surprised by the
> premise
> > of this book. Utah is a great and wonderful place to live. The Mountains
> > covered in snow, the beautiful desert landscapes. Snowboarding and Skiing
> at
> > 10,000 ft in less than an hour. One hell of a good Basketball Team (GO
> JAZZ
> > ring not included). A great Masonic community www.wasatchlodge.org
> > (shameless website plug). Ole Brigham was right "This is the Place". For
> > the uniformed Brigham when entering the Salt Lake Valley in July of 1847
> > said that famous quote and now there is a "This is the Place" Monument at
> > the mouth of Emigration Canyon overlooking the valley. I noticed the book
> > was published by a Bonneville Company most not all Bonneville companies
> are
> > owned by the LDS church. When I'm in the tent at the games people look at
> > the genealogy charts and you know how people love those. Especially here.
> > Then they see the Masonic Sinclair angle that I portray at the tent and
> 95%
> > of the time the next response is "You know Joseph Smith and Brigham Young
> > were Masons" or conversely "There is no proof that Joseph Smith was a
> > Mason". Utah is a great place, it is my adopted home. I will read the
> > book, I will endeavor to find the cave and I will let you all know.
> >
> > Yours Aye,
> >
> > John Liley
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <IDL64@aol.com>
> > To: <sinclair@matrix.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 9:43 AM
> > Subject: Re: The Cave
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Dear Cousin John, Seriously, since you are in Utah, have you heard
> > of
> > > the cave before this came up in the discussion of the new book?
> > > Faithfully, Ivan D. Lancaster of Indiana
> > > Oh, yes, enjoyed your foolishness, Thanks
> > > [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org
> > > [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html
> > >
> >
> > [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org
> > [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: 5 Mar 2001 21:58:53 -0800
> From: "Spirit One Email" <laurel@spiritone.com>
> Subject: Did you know?
>
> There is a very large and beautiful photo of Girnigoe Castle for the month
> of August on The Scotsman 2001 Calendar. Good publicity. Good work Niven
> and crew!
>
> The Scottish Banner newspaper is the largest Scottish newspaper in the world
> outside Scotland and each issue is full of interesting things.
> This is of particular interest to us:
> There is a new book "In Pursuit of William Wallace" by Craufuird C. Loudon
> It emphasizes more the social and spiritual character as described by
> Chronicler, John of Fordun who d. 1384.
> Some 9 years after Wallace died, our Bishop of Dunkeld, William Sinclair
> commissioned John Arnold Blair to write down all he knew about Wallace.
> This information would be used to petition the Pope for Canonisation of Sir
> William Wallace. But because of the rurmoil existing with the papacy at
> that time, this petition got lost. The writer says that "there is
> unfinished business for the Church to deal with in the name of William
> Sinclair, Bishop of Dunkeld, 1309-1336)
>
> Note: Bishop William "the fighting Bishop" was the brother of Henry the 7th
> Baron of Rosslyn who led the Templar Cavalry unit at Bannockburn and was the
> g. grandfather of Prince Henry St. Clair.
>
> Laurel
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 02:05:24 -0600 (CST)
> From: "John S. Quarterman" <jsq@matrix.net>
> Subject: Sinclair Dates
>
> [1]Tomorrow:
> March 8
>
> 1702: William & Mary end, end of reign of William III and Mary II.
>
> References
>
> 1. http://www.mids.org/sinclair/timeline.html
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of sinclair-digest V2 #427
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