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Subject: 17th Cent Sinclairs back to Scotland
From: esdemio@att.net
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 20:18:00 +0000
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for Robert Goff:  Assuredly. What happened to those 
people I quoted - I don't know. They are too early for my 
branch.  I put the names up hoping that someone could use 
them. I am told that all Sinclairs, whether in New 
England or the South are related. My branch begins by 
being a sea captain between Scalloway and Virginia in mid 
1700s. There are three statements that he has a ship 
"Alice" between Glasgow and Virginia. That he has a ship 
"Betsy" taking furs back to Scotland and lastly that he 
'took a prize' but was never paid for it by the American 
Government well after the Revolution.  His claim was put 
forth, but never paid.  He settled in Surry Co, VA at 
Cobham and was a trustee for the town. He married Suzanna 
Phillips in Halifax (NS or a VA County?). He died in 
Surry Co. They had at least one son, named for the father 
- Arthur - This Arthur was a naval officer in the War of 
1812 and got noticed by the state of Virginia who gave 
him a sword in recognition of his 'gallantry'. That sword 
is now the property of the Historical Society of VA. His 
son Arthur, was in the US Navy and then in the 
Confederate Navy. His son Arthur, followed his father and 
served where he did, including both men were on the 
Confederate Raider, CSS Alabama. That makes 4 generations 
and 4 Arthurs. After the "War of Rebellion" Arthur(4) 
married and lived in Baltimore, MD and his son Arthur(5) 
lived in New York. Arthur(4) died in 1927(?), can't 
remember.  In five generations, we have come from mid 
18th century to at least mid or late 20th century. I just 
don't have the connection back in Scotland, which is what 
I'm looking for. I do have specific info, but not here, 
unless someone wants particulars. Sally
> 
> sinclair-digest         Friday, March 2 2001         Volume 02 : Number 423
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 08:17:23 -0500 
> From: "Sinclair, Debra" <dsinclair@comversens.com>
> Subject: Missing Sinclair mother & daughter
> 
> Here is a link to an article in the NH Union Leader (02/22/01) for a missing
> Sinclair mother and daughter from Chesterfield NH.  I heard about this for
> the first time on the news last night.
> 
> http://www.theunionleader.com/Articles_show.html?article=12434&archive=1
> 
> 
> ====================================================
> Deb Sinclair
> Lowell, Massachusetts
> 
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 17:59:32 -0000
> From: "Katherine Kurtz" <kkurtz@iol.ie>
> Subject: Following the Ark of the Covenant
> 
> Dear Sinclairs,
> 
> Just a note of caution re the following book mentioned in a recent
> post:
> 
> 'Following the Ark of The Covenant'-The Treasure of God
> > by Kerry Ross Boren ( assisted Alex Haley with research on his books
> ROOTS and QUEEN ) and Lisa Lee Boren
> > published by Bonneville Books and distributed by CFI ( Cedar Fort ,
> Incorporated)
> > ISBN: 2-55517-459-0
> > The book has genealogies of the Sinclair's. Has articles about the
> Knights Templars, The Rosslyn Sinclairs, The Gunn family. It also has
> references to a Sinclair connection to Joseph Smith the
> founder/Prophet of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and
> his ancestors
> > The most fascinating discovery is that of Brewers Cave in Utah,
> where there was discovered a Templar Knight mummified- The book states
> that the mummy is thought to be of the Gunn/Sinclair clan ! ! ! !
> 
> I've not seen this book--though, as some one profoundly interested
> both in Templars and Sinclairs, I would love for it to be true--but
> readers perhaps should exercise a bit of caution on this one.  I know
> nothing about the authors, Boren and Boren, but the fact that he
> assisted Haley in his Roots and Queen research is not necessarily a
> strong credential.  As I recall, Haley later admitted that much of at
> least Roots was totally invented, not fact at all.  As for an LDS
> connection, well....it <could> be true, though I would be extremely
> dubious about a Templar mummy in Utah.  (This would put Europeans all
> the way across North America a good two centuries earlier than anyone
> thinks--which <could> be true, but....)
> 
> But like many folk, I will probably buy the book, if I can find it,
> just to see what the authors have to say.  Most books of this sort
> will contain at least one or two true nuggets.... ;-)
> 
> Katherine D.T. Kurtz
> (The D.T. stands for Doubting Thomas)
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 13:34:10 EST
> From: IDL64@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Following the Ark of the Covenant
> 
>     I will buy the book and see, too.  I liked the D.T.  Ha!   Ivan D. 
> Lancaster of Indiana
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 14:40:13 -0500
> From: "Rory Sinclair" <rory.sinclair@home.com>
> Subject: Re: Following the Ark of the Covenant
> 
> Dear Katherine:
> I second and third and fourth your remarks.
> Our story is a wild and woolly one and it has so much going for it that it
> does not need the highly speculative things to be taken on board whole
> without some critical thinking.  All that appears between book covers is
> not, by that fact, true.
> On the other hand nugget hunting is fun.
> There is no intrinsic problem with getting excited over mummies in Utah but
> there is a problem if we make it true for us and later find it faked.   Then
> those who want to discard the rest of our story are given serious ammunition
> to shoot us out of the sky as a bunch of gullible self-servers who make
> history what they want it to be rather than what it is.
> Caution is definitely warranted but I too will no doubt find the book and
> put it my collection.
> Rory
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: Katherine Kurtz <kkurtz@iol.ie>
> To: sinclair@matrix.net <sinclair@matrix.net>
> Date: Thursday, March 01, 2001 1:10 PM
> Subject: Following the Ark of the Covenant
> 
> 
> >Dear Sinclairs,
> >
> >Just a note of caution re the following book mentioned in a recent
> >post:
> >
> >'Following the Ark of The Covenant'-The Treasure of God
> >> by Kerry Ross Boren ( assisted Alex Haley with research on his books
> >ROOTS and QUEEN ) and Lisa Lee Boren
> >> published by Bonneville Books and distributed by CFI ( Cedar Fort ,
> >Incorporated)
> >> ISBN: 2-55517-459-0
> >> The book has genealogies of the Sinclair's. Has articles about the
> >Knights Templars, The Rosslyn Sinclairs, The Gunn family. It also has
> >references to a Sinclair connection to Joseph Smith the
> >founder/Prophet of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and
> >his ancestors
> >> The most fascinating discovery is that of Brewers Cave in Utah,
> >where there was discovered a Templar Knight mummified- The book states
> >that the mummy is thought to be of the Gunn/Sinclair clan ! ! ! !
> >
> >I've not seen this book--though, as some one profoundly interested
> >both in Templars and Sinclairs, I would love for it to be true--but
> >readers perhaps should exercise a bit of caution on this one.  I know
> >nothing about the authors, Boren and Boren, but the fact that he
> >assisted Haley in his Roots and Queen research is not necessarily a
> >strong credential.  As I recall, Haley later admitted that much of at
> >least Roots was totally invented, not fact at all.  As for an LDS
> >connection, well....it <could> be true, though I would be extremely
> >dubious about a Templar mummy in Utah.  (This would put Europeans all
> >the way across North America a good two centuries earlier than anyone
> >thinks--which <could> be true, but....)
> >
> >But like many folk, I will probably buy the book, if I can find it,
> >just to see what the authors have to say.  Most books of this sort
> >will contain at least one or two true nuggets.... ;-)
> >
> >Katherine D.T. Kurtz
> >(The D.T. stands for Doubting Thomas)
> >
> >
> >
> >[ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org
> >[ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html
> 
> [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org
> [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 18:13:52 -0500
> From: Robert Goff <rwgoff00@centre.edu>
> Subject: Re: some early Sinkler/Sinclear
> 
> Does anyone have any of the 17th century Sinclair emigrants to Virginia
> traced back to Scotland?
> 
> esdemio@att.net wrote:
> 
> > From:  Early Virginia Immigrants 1663-1666 compiled by
> > George Cabell Greer, last published by Genealogical
> > Publishing Co in 1982
> >
> > John Sinkler, 1655 by Lt Col Thomas Swann into Surry Co
> > Jean Sinclear, 1655 by Lt Col Thomas Swann into Surry Co
> > Margaret Sinkler, 1638 by James Warredin into Charles
> > City Co
> > Morrice Sinkler, 1653 by Francis Gray into Charles City
> > Co.
> > [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org
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> 
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2001 20:10:30 -0500
> From: "Jerry Gibbons" <templar@net-link.net>
> Subject: Re: Following the Ark of the Covenant
> 
> Dear Rory, Katherine and all,
> 
> While I am very skeptical, my imagination of such a possibility was already
> triggered after reading:
> The Labyrinth of the Grail by William F. Mann
> Grail Knights of North America by Michael Bradley
> Holy Grail Across The Atlantic by Michael Bradley with Deanna Theilmann-Bean
> and the past 25 years of reading about Joseph Smith/Mormons (origins) and
> their historical connection with American Freemasonry.  (I will not take the
> time to list these books and sources for the moment.)
> 
> Could it be possible that Joseph Smith and others dug up golden treasures
> from an area in the state New York in 1825 which the Knights Templar brought
> from the Temple Mount in Jerusalem to North America hundreds of years ago?
> Did he actually discover the Urim and Thummin - breastplates and/or the Ark
> of the Covenant from Old Testament times?
> 
> "The opinion now almost universally accepted is that the Jewish lawgiver
> borrowed this, as he did the Ark, the Brazen Serpent, and many other of the
> symbols of his theocracy, from the usages so familiar to him of the Egyptian
> Priests, with which both he and Aaron were familiar, eliminating, of course,
> from them their previous heathen allusion and giving them a purer
> signification." - quoting from Mackey's Encyclopedia of Freemasonry page
> 1072 under the subject heading, "Urim and Thummin".
> 
> Now consider the "art work" on the "Kirkwall Scroll" from the video and book
> entitled, "The Secret Scroll" which show these very same symbols, ie. the
> Ark, the Brazen Serpent wrap around a cross, etc.
> 
> Sounds pretty fantastic.  Still there might be a untold story here.  The
> times, places, people involved, things, and stories/legends do show a
> remarkable pattern.
> 
> So I will buy the book, too!
> Jerry
> 
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rory Sinclair" <rory.sinclair@home.com>
> To: <sinclair@matrix.net>
> Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 2:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Following the Ark of the Covenant
> 
> 
> > Dear Katherine:
> > I second and third and fourth your remarks.
> > Our story is a wild and woolly one and it has so much going for it that it
> > does not need the highly speculative things to be taken on board whole
> > without some critical thinking.  All that appears between book covers is
> > not, by that fact, true.
> > On the other hand nugget hunting is fun.
> > There is no intrinsic problem with getting excited over mummies in Utah
> but
> > there is a problem if we make it true for us and later find it faked.
> Then
> > those who want to discard the rest of our story are given serious
> ammunition
> > to shoot us out of the sky as a bunch of gullible self-servers who make
> > history what they want it to be rather than what it is.
> > Caution is definitely warranted but I too will no doubt find the book and
> > put it my collection.
> > Rory
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Katherine Kurtz <kkurtz@iol.ie>
> > To: sinclair@matrix.net <sinclair@matrix.net>
> > Date: Thursday, March 01, 2001 1:10 PM
> > Subject: Following the Ark of the Covenant
> >
> >
> > >Dear Sinclairs,
> > >
> > >Just a note of caution re the following book mentioned in a recent
> > >post:
> > >
> > >'Following the Ark of The Covenant'-The Treasure of God
> > >> by Kerry Ross Boren ( assisted Alex Haley with research on his books
> > >ROOTS and QUEEN ) and Lisa Lee Boren
> > >> published by Bonneville Books and distributed by CFI ( Cedar Fort ,
> > >Incorporated)
> > >> ISBN: 2-55517-459-0
> > >> The book has genealogies of the Sinclair's. Has articles about the
> > >Knights Templars, The Rosslyn Sinclairs, The Gunn family. It also has
> > >references to a Sinclair connection to Joseph Smith the
> > >founder/Prophet of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and
> > >his ancestors
> > >> The most fascinating discovery is that of Brewers Cave in Utah,
> > >where there was discovered a Templar Knight mummified- The book states
> > >that the mummy is thought to be of the Gunn/Sinclair clan ! ! ! !
> > >
> > >I've not seen this book--though, as some one profoundly interested
> > >both in Templars and Sinclairs, I would love for it to be true--but
> > >readers perhaps should exercise a bit of caution on this one.  I know
> > >nothing about the authors, Boren and Boren, but the fact that he
> > >assisted Haley in his Roots and Queen research is not necessarily a
> > >strong credential.  As I recall, Haley later admitted that much of at
> > >least Roots was totally invented, not fact at all.  As for an LDS
> > >connection, well....it <could> be true, though I would be extremely
> > >dubious about a Templar mummy in Utah.  (This would put Europeans all
> > >the way across North America a good two centuries earlier than anyone
> > >thinks--which <could> be true, but....)
> > >
> > >But like many folk, I will probably buy the book, if I can find it,
> > >just to see what the authors have to say.  Most books of this sort
> > >will contain at least one or two true nuggets.... ;-)
> > >
> > >Katherine D.T. Kurtz
> > >(The D.T. stands for Doubting Thomas)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >[ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org
> > >[ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html
> >
> > [ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org
> > [ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html
> >
> 
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 18:06:30 +1100
> From: Jean Stokes <sinead@milamba.com>
> Subject: Re: Following the Ark of the Covenant
> 
> >Dear Katherine,
> >Must say I also should include D.T. in my initials.  Does sound passing 
> >strange - a mummified Templar knight in a cave in Utah!!!!  But like you 
> >if I come across it I will doubtless read.
> >
> > > Sinead.
> 
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2001 18:14:27 +1100
> From: Jean Stokes <sinead@milamba.com>
> Subject: Re: Missing Sinclair mother & daughter
> 
> Has a nasty feel to it. Most people take their car and arrange care for an 
> animal. Hope they are OK.
> >Here is a link to an article in the NH Union Leader (02/22/01) for a missing
> >Sinclair mother and daughter from Chesterfield NH.  I heard about this for
> >the first time on the news last night.
> >
> >http://www.theunionleader.com/Articles_show.html?article=12434&archive=1
> >
> >
> >====================================================
> >Deb Sinclair
> >Lowell, Massachusetts
> >
> >[ This is the Sinclair family discussion list, sinclair@mids.org
> >[ To get off or on the list, see http://www.mids.org/sinclair/list.html
> 
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 02:06:33 -0600 (CST)
> From: "John S. Quarterman" <jsq@matrix.net>
> Subject: Sinclair Dates
> 
>    [1]Tomorrow:
>    March 3
>    
>    In 1700: Don Juan Pimienta lands, at the Isthmus of Panama with more
>    men. He invites the Scots to surrender, and when they refuse, moves
>    forward against the neck of the peninsula.
> 
> References
> 
>    1. http://www.mids.org/sinclair/timeline.html
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> 
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