Re: Hugh de Payen

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References

Oxford Dictionary of Medieval History London 1965 Le Temps de Templer
Evereux J Barre 1883 Les Notes de ma Connaissance des Chevaliers du Temple
Paris Guillaume de Tyre 6 edition Paris 1817 Pimilco Company to Medieval
History London 1994

Sinclair
----- Original Message -----
From: John Duguid <john.duguid@snl.co.uk>
To: sinclair <"sinclair@mids.org"@"sinclair@mids.org">
Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 2:45 PM
Subject: Hugh de Payen


>
> labehotierre stated below
>
> >The first gift of Land to the Templers was due to the wife of Hugh de =
Payen,
> Count de Champagne, Catharine Sinclair. Guillaume de Tyre a = Templer
Historian
> recorded the founding 70 years after the event.  = Guillaume gives the
founding
> date as 1118 when the King of Jerusalem = (Baudoin I) younger brother
Godfroi
> de Bouillon announced to the King = of the formation of the Order.
>
> Hugh de Payen and his principal co-founder of the order, Andre de =
Montbard,
> travelled to England to see the King and, having obtained = safe-conduct
from
> him, went directly north across the border to = Scotland, where the two
knights
> stayed at Roslyn with the St Clairs, who = were Hugh's relatives by
marriage.
> The lord of Roslyn made an immediate = grant of land to the new order
which
> became their headquarters in = Scotland. The oldest Templar site in
Scotland,
> once known as = Ballontrodoch, is now called Temple after the order.<
>
> Are you stating here that Guillaume de Tyre makes reference to the marrage
of
> Hugh and Catherine? Guillaume de Tyre was a notoriously inaccurate
chronlcler
> of Templar History, even accepting this I'd be interested in a more
accurate
> statement as to where it is mentioned.
>
> I was under the impression that there was no proof for the claim that Hugh
de
> Payen was married to anyone far less to Catherine Sinclair. I also thought
that
> Knights templar were supposed to be unmarried an celibate. I would be
extremely
> pleased if someone could give me a reference for this claim and for the
claim
> that Hugh visited Roslin.
>
> regards
>
> John
>
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