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Re: Sinclair Genealogy
Let me state from the outset that the Database that Lena is building and
that I am assisting with is NOT for the general public. Those people who
are willing to contribute will be adding to the store of knowledge that is
already maintained on the Sinclair's. The only people who will ever have
access to it are those who can prove that they are of Sinclair descent or
whom have legitimate reasons for researching the Sinclair's. Even then,
private information will remain just that, PRIVATE, and inquires regarding
living persons will be directed to the appropriate people.
There is NO difference between this database and the books currently
available through yourself, Jean, or through any other body, except that
there is no fee changing hands when people access this database, and the
fact that it is in electronic format rather than printed format. The only
people whom it's costing money are Lena and myself when we pay for access
to various other sources to obtain information.
Genealogical information is not private. It is public domain
information. The only thing that becomes copyrightable information is the
format that the person chooses to put it in, or the design of the database,
or the search engine for finding it etc. The actual information can never
be copyrighted.
If you wish to continue with your divisive actions with regard to the
database, Jean, then I would suggest that you also withdraw all the books
you have for sale that contain genealogical information and make them
FREELY available to those who can prove descent from a particular
line. And no, you do not have to recoup your costs... neither Lena nor I
will be doing that, so why should you?
It is a great shame that the Sinclair's and their descendents are so often
hot-tempered. It may have made us what we are but it also means that we
are highly territorial - might I suggest that we all regard our
genealogical research as a gift to our kin?
Margaret
At 08:54 AM 19/09/99 -0700, you wrote:
>I am 62 - my local society calls it the Social Security Death index and no I
>did not know the initials and no I have never used it and no I am not a liar
>and yes I do resent the implication.
>
>My late father always said if you ask enough questions and the right
>questions you will find what you needed to know.
>Jean
>----- Original Message -----
>From: milamba <milamba@milamba.com>
>To: <sinclair@mids.org>
>Sent: Saturday, September 18, 1999 1:59 PM
>Subject: Re: Sinclair Genealogy Digest Number 11
>
>
> >Jean,
> >
> >SSDI = Social Security Death Index. but I'm quite sure you knew that -
> >couldn't have ever read a book on American genealogy without knowing it!
> >
> >As to the rest - my thoughts are in agreement with Lena's
> >
> >Margaret.
> >
> >At 03:42 PM 18/09/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >>I will not dignify the statement regarding $$$ with a response. It is an
> >>insult to every hard-working genealogist in the United States. There is
>no
> >>profit in genealogy unless you take the research of someone else and do
>not
> >>spend the hours and hours and travel the miles and miles to dig out the
> >>information. To insinuate otherwise only proves that you have not trodden
> >>that path yourself. As my CPA is fond of saying, "you may break even if
> >>you live to be 150!" If you wish to make money, you publish a trashy
> >>novel - you do not publish a family history.
> >>
> >>I have no idea what the SSDI base is, nor do I intend to find out. My
> >>entire research has been documented directly from the primary source and
> >>used only to preserve the 35 years of family histories entrusted to me.
> >>
> >>I have no fear of the internet whatsoever - What is there to fear? After
> >>teaching 25 years and completing 5 years of college, I do however, have a
> >>fear of the loss of an individual's right to preserve their own history,
> >>and a great fear of new knowledge being lost as authors and musicians are
> >>finding their materials stolen daily.
> >>Jean
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: Lena A L <lal@algonet.se>
> >>To: <sinclair@mids.org>; milamba <milamba@milamba.com>
> >>Sent: Saturday, September 18, 1999 12:41 PM
> >>Subject: Re: Sinclair Genealogy Digest Number 11
> >>
> >>
> >> >Dear Jean and others who fear the Global Database,
> >> >
> >> >Jean Grigsby wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> My feelings derive from the many, many people who have requested that
> >>their
> >> >> family history not be used for public consumption.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >The future Global base it not intended to be public in the sense that
> >> >the whole world population may access the base. It's for Sinclairs only,
> >> >that's why the base it NOT accessible via the net for the time being.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I can still recall my
> >> >> nephew calling me late one night as he had found my parents (his
> >> >> grandparents) listed on a website and only one child listed - me. He
>was
> >> >> extremely upset and to be quite frank so was I. I had never heard of
>the
> >> >> person and when contacted he admitted he had copied the data from a
>small
> >> >> family book I had published in 1970 - 29 years ago.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >The important word above is the word PUBLISHED........ make it public...
> >> >and as you made it public there are no way of you stopping who ever from
> >> >doing the same as long as they have access to the source (unless they
> >> >violate rules of copywrite etc), just like you do when you quote some
> >> >other writer or person when giving information on this list.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>I had only made 10
> >> >> copies for family members and unfortunately one of the recipients
>passed
> >> >> away and during this 20 year period it had ended up in an "in-laws"
> >>hands -
> >> >> a person not even related to the family.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >That is exactly why me and Margaret are the only ones, at the moment,
> >> >that have access to the base. In the future though a copy of the base
> >> >will be held in the Sinclair Archives in Scotland accessible to
> >> >researcher in the same way old documents are accessible.
> >> >
> >> >I think the fear has to do with fear of new technology but if we realize
> >> >that there are no relevant difference between documents that consists
> >> >of 101010101110000101010100111000010000, bit, byte, kb, mb etc and
> >> >documents made out of paper or old papyrus scrolls for that matter. When
> >> >it comes down to basics it's pure data all of it. And I am quite
> >> >convinced Jean that you would not argue that access to old documents are
> >> >the base of all historical research. And Jean, have you never used the
> >> >SSDI base on the net?
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> This has become a concern for most professional genealogists and most
>of
> >> >> them are simply refusing to share their material.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >I'm sorry Jean but I believe their motives for refusal has nothing to do
> >> >with the above. I think it has to do with $$$$$$$$. They will be out of
> >> >business if all data where easy accessible on the net. But that's a
> >> >whole different issue which I don't wish to discuss further.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>I refuse to allow a few
> >> >> to disrupt what I feel is an important goal - hence my refusal to send
> >>out
> >> >> material on any branch unless the person requesting the material is a
> >>proven
> >> >> descendant of that branch.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >Well, then there will be much easier when learning history in the
> >> >future. No kings, no generals, no regents or royal families to memorize
> >> >as there will be no public records of them left.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Perhaps others will be as honest as I have been and state their true
> >> >reasons
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >As managing director of a historical museum I know the importance of
> >> >leaving documentation behind for coming generations to explore, research
> >> >and learn from. My true reason for starting this project was to gather
> >> >as much information as possible in one place without any profit what so
> >> >ever for my self (more than the warm feeling that I might have helped
> >> >some future researcher in the year 2099). And then, of course,
> >> >professional genealogists do have to think of the profit....... I don't!
> >> >
> >> >Regards
> >> >Lena
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